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Mick Hyall
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The 'uptempo' crowd are anything but short of places to dance in the central south coast area. There's almost nothing else.
Those of us who loathe jiving to fast music are, on the other hand, are in the same situation as John Mills and the ambulance crew from Ice cold in Alex: we are motoring through an unforgiving desert and desperate for refreshment in relief: except for us, it's not an ice cold lager but any opportunity to get away from disco, funk, rave, trance and poxy BONGOS.
I was at a venue on Saturday where not an uptempo song was heard all night, and my s-o-u-l was s-o-o-t-h-e-d. |
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Happy Camper
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Mick Hyall said :
| Quote: | | The 'uptempo' crowd are anything but short of places to dance in the central south coast area. There's almost nothing else. |
Yeah, good isn't it. Speaking for the "uptempo crowd", so far we've managed to preserve Jive in this area, and resisted Ceroc's attempts to take over the dance world and to impose their brand of slow tempo stuff on the Jive world. Long may it last in this area. |
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DJ Andy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Mick Hyall wrote: |
I was at a venue on Saturday where not an uptempo song was heard all night, and my s-o-u-l was s-o-o-t-h-e-d. |
Ooh....where was it...do tell!  |
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qdos
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| Mick Hyall wrote: |
Those of us who loathe jiving to fast music are, on the other hand, are in the same situation as John Mills and the ambulance crew from Ice cold in Alex: we are motoring through an unforgiving desert and desperate for refreshment in relief: except for us, it's not an ice cold lager but any opportunity to get away from disco, funk, rave, trance and poxy BONGOS. |
If you loathe it so much surely you're in the wrong forum. This is Southern UK Jive. If there's that much call for slow blues type down tempo stuff then why not build a site? I do agree there's people that do want this sort of music hence the likes of Sugarfoot's posts. If you're not sure how to set up a site I'd be happy to help you. Unfortunately though I'm not a fan of slow 'smooth' stuff so I don't know of the existing forums that promote it but I'm sure there are some for you. Perhaps some links would be an idea for the "Other Dance Styles" Section SJ ?
By the way Mick. You forgot Rock n Roll Don't forget Rock n Roll I understood The Hub was intended to provide up tempo and down tempo rooms. Or has that changed? I don't know I've never been. |
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Sugarfoot
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Firstly….this topic is about feedback on the 2 Tone event, but looks like it is being dragged into the slow verses fast music battle again??? 
This event is the only one of its kind in the area to provide those who want an alternative with that option. Why do dancers who have a huge choice to suit their needs feel the need to slam the only venue to provide an alternative? For the sake of balance I equally don’t like those who prefer the alternative music to run down regular Jive events. I would however, feel frustrated & disappointed if there was nowhere locally offering alternative music.
We should all embrace how lucky we all are to have such a wide choice of social dance styles, music, venues etc. in the local area. 
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Sugarfoot
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| qdos wrote: | | Mick Hyall wrote: |
Those of us who loathe jiving to fast music are, on the other hand, are in the same situation as John Mills and the ambulance crew from Ice cold in Alex: we are motoring through an unforgiving desert and desperate for refreshment in relief: except for us, it's not an ice cold lager but any opportunity to get away from disco, funk, rave, trance and poxy BONGOS. |
If you loathe it so much surely you're in the wrong forum. This is Southern UK Jive. If there's that much call for slow blues type down tempo stuff then why not build a site? I do agree there's people that do want this sort of music hence the likes of Sugarfoot's posts. If you're not sure how to set up a site I'd be happy to help you. Unfortunately though I'm not a fan of slow 'smooth' stuff so I don't know of the existing forums that promote it but I'm sure there are some for you. Perhaps some links would be an idea for the "Other Dance Styles" Section SJ ?
By the way Mick. You forgot Rock n Roll Don't forget Rock n Roll I understood The Hub was intended to provide up tempo and down tempo rooms. Or has that changed? I don't know I've never been. |
For now...we are here to stay and represent our opinions on all that is MJ/Ceroc...fast, slow, alternative, fusion etc, etc. By the way qdos; strictly speaking Rock n Roll isn't MJ any more that WCS is. Perhaps we should start a thread under 'Other Dances' 
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DJ Andy
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| Happy Camper wrote: | Mick Hyall said :
| Quote: | | The 'uptempo' crowd are anything but short of places to dance in the central south coast area. There's almost nothing else. |
Yeah, good isn't it. Speaking for the "uptempo crowd", so far we've managed to preserve Jive in this area, and resisted Ceroc's attempts to take over the dance world and to impose their brand of slow tempo stuff on the Jive world. Long may it last in this area. |
Why would you seek to restrict choice in this matter?
If there are plenty of venues that suit you in this area (and I don't know where you're based), then why would someone who wanted to offer something different for others, be a problem to you? |
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Happy Camper
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DJ Andy :
| Quote: | | Why would you seek to restrict choice in this matter? |
I'm not seeking to restrict choice. Not sure where you get that idea. I'm just keen to see that Jive, as i like it remains available in my area.
| Quote: | | If there are plenty of venues that suit you in this area (and I don't know where you're based), then why would someone who wanted to offer something different for others, be a problem to you? |
Again, i'm not sure why you think it's a problem for me if someone offers some other dancing in my area (Winchester, by the way). I'm, quite happy that other dancing is made available, as long as it doesn't take over the Jive that is available now. Do you have a problem with that viewpoint? |
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DJ Andy
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I got the idea that you wished to restrict choice from your reply to Mick Hyall's post.
He bemoaned the lack of places to dance that offered more downtempo music, to which you replied 'Yeah, good isn't it'.
And if other venues of this sort are started up, then they by definition are not 'taking over' your favoured venues are they.
I'm glad you think other venues with different music/jivestyle policies are welcome - it just didn't sound like it from your post.
We really have got very off-thread....sorry. |
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| Quote: | | Ceroc's attempts to take over the dance world |
Hmmm, rather a lot of posts with this sort of comment. Quite opinionated and nonconstructive. Ceroc are the biggest MJ organization (brand). Maybe they are the biggest for a reason - ever considered that?
| Quote: | | impose their brand of slow tempo stuff on the Jive world. |
Again, not exactly the first time we've read these sort of comments. Personally, I think anyone with an opinion like this obviously haven't tried many Ceroc venues!
A bit like saying you don't like tomatoes when you've only eaten one type....
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qdos
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| Happy Camper wrote: | | I'm, quite happy that other dancing is made available, as long as it doesn't take over the Jive that is available now. |
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this and I think this is really where the bug is with a lot of people as we've definately seen that this is in fact happening at some of the venues. Perhaps it's not at all of them but it is most certainly happening at some which is why people are leaving them and going elsewhere.
We are indeed fortunate around the Bournemouth and Southampton areas to have quite a good choice of venues with two or three to chose from on most nights of the week. It's good to try out some of them I've found some fantastic classes and freestyles as a result of this. So if you're not happy with a venue then why not try another. Unfortunately some folk though want to change the venue's styles to suit their own personal tastes and this is where we've got a lot of very annoyed dancers. I think people would appreciate it much more if folk were actually honest with the customers and tell us they intend to change the type of music and dance at various venues.
Anyway my suggestion is try them out and see what you like. It's good to have a change now and then but it's preferable that we can make the change ourselves rather than have it imposed upon us.
The hub offers different styles but as there's so many variations and indeed some nightrs at any one venue can be good and sometimes not. I say try others and if a venue finds their customers leaving well that means they need to change the venue's style. It works both ways. |
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Happy Camper
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You misunderstood, DJ Andy. My reply of 'Yeah, good isn't it' was to Mick Hyall's statement | Quote: | | The 'uptempo' crowd are anything but short of places to dance in the central south coast area. |
I was agreeing that there were plenty of places that play uptempo Jive music.
TeeDee, i was talking about Ceroc's obvious intentions to dominate the Jive world....look at what happened to Jive Addiction when they got booted out of the Southport weekender venue by Ceroc. Ceroc are a big business and it seems they make no bones about trying to put small independent companies out of business so they can take over. They are driven by a businessman, not a dancer. |
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Sugarfoot
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OK back on track and away from the politics…
Slow vs fast temp???
If dancers learnt to dance to a variety of tempos there would be no ‘verses’ needed.
Despite being tarred as the slow tempo man on this forum, I like a range of tempos as long as the track inspires me. I have tried to provide a slower temp alternative over the last few years simply because no one else was and I like choice.
There is a point where music can become too slow for most Jivers without other dance skills. Likewise some of the tracks that the up tempo fans like become manic unless you either half beat the dance or remove overhead moves (which counts for a large percentage of MJ moves).
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qdos
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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| Sugarfoot wrote: |
If dancers learnt to dance to a variety of tempos there would be no ‘verses’ needed.
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Unfortunately it's not as simple as that. On the whole I like the faster tempo stuff but that's not to say I don't like slow tempo stuff, some I do and I dare say there's folk who are the other way round but it's about more than just the tempo isn't it? We like different things about the music and the dances we can do with various music.
Taking a completely different example I absolutely do not get and will never ever get Cricket it's the most tedious waste of time possible in my opinion. I do like extreme sports and I know that many people think throwing yourself off a 2000 foot cliff is the most ridiculous thing anyone could ever do .
So much as it would be nice if everyone could try everything there are some things that some people are never going to try it's just the way the world is and it's pointless trying to force it on people. Let's just accept it and vive la differance |
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Sugarfoot
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Err…no not really
Cricket has no relationship to bungee jumping and neither relates to any form of dancing I know of. 
I understand that it is more than tempo change that effects our dancing. In fact I think familiarity of the track has a bigger effect than tempo for many dancers.
When I was DJing for Carol the previous local Ceroc franchisee she gave me the brief to play more down tempo music alongside her regular Ceroc DJ. I played ‘’The Way you Move’’ by Kenny G at 126 bmp when it was new to local dancers and some complained it was to slow. The Ceroc DJ followed by playing Lil Star 120 bmp and the floor filled up. As their local DJ he had been using it for there classes.
What I was saying before was that if we enjoy dancing, then surly a way of maximising our enjoyment is to broaden our ability to dance to a wider selection of music. I don’t think there is anyone who can really say that hate all slow or fast music.
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